Podcast: Sizing up the Asia trade

Jeremy Schwartz, CFA, Director of Research, WisdomTree Asset Management

In a recent “Behind the Markets” podcast, we highlighted two of the more beaten-down regions on a pure asset price and valuation basis today: Japan and emerging markets.

The overlap between the two is that Japan, in local currency terms, trades with volatility levels not so different than standard emerging market countries, with a large beta to global growth prospects given two-thirds of the country’s profits come from global markets.

Edward Cole, portfolio manager at Man GLG, and Jesper Koll, CEO of WisdomTree Japan, were on the show to discuss these topics.


Emerging Markets

My friend and co-host Wes Gray sent in skeptical questions about the marginal portfolio diversification benefits of emerging markets, and Professor Jeremy Siegel started the case with this opinion:

  • Yes, emerging markets have a beta to global equities and growth greater than 1 such that they are riskier, but that is reflected in their price—and they have an 11 to 12 price/earnings ratio and therefore a 9% earnings yield, which means you are paid for taking those risks compared with, say, the U.S. markets and developed markets at higher prices.
  • Further, the developed world is growing at 1% to 2% at the boundary of prospects for growth while the emerging markets are playing catch-up with the developed world and can grow faster. This does not mean the per capita catch-up will happen in a smooth line, but Siegel sees this benefiting companies that serve emerging market consumers during the catch-up period.

Trade War

One of the big questions and risks for global markets has been the global trade war dynamics between the U.S. and China.

The China A-shares market was down 30% year-to-date ahead of Friday’s conversation and move.

Cole pointed out that many Chinese companies with more than 50% revenue abroad were down for entirely “domestic” factors despite being levered to the U.S. housing cycle.


Cole believes it would be a struggle to find a market more inefficient than the China A-shares market—which is why he believes it is such a ripe source of opportunity.

But in these emerging markets when panic sets in, there is no regard for valuations or fundamental prospects—there is just panic and investors fleeing.

In exploring the reasons China has sold off—Cole pointed out that Xi Jinping, after being confirmed essentially as president for life, has started some deleveraging policies, and that has been reflected in both a slowdown in growth characteristics and pressure on cyclical company earnings.

There are further fears that the Chinese state is going to creep further into the affairs of companies. And, of course, there are also the trade war fears.

Timing Indicator: Cole has looked at the percentage of down days over trailing three-month periods and found there have been eight times in history during which over 60% of trading days were down.

If markets trend up over time, having close to two-thirds of days being down is a large outlier. Cole’s work suggests forward returns are bright after such panic sets in, as we’ve seen.

Japan Today: Koll believes the case for Japan is robust earnings and shareholder value driven by better corporate governance structures. Japan used to have large conglomerate groups, and information about them was very limited.

Twenty years ago, cross-shareholding was 50% of market capitalization, but today it is only 4% of total market cap. This has made managers much more capitalistic. Further, even just five years ago, the average age of an executive director in listed Japan was 72, but today it is 52.

This is a radical change for management that is not tied into the old keiretsu management structures, and we see record levels of dividend payouts with robust buybacks.  

Some other topics we covered included research and development spending and competitive dynamics for Chinese companies trying to compete at the highest levels of the global supply chain.

Japan & China: At the political level, there are developments with China and Japan coming together, and they are starting to do joint bidding for upcoming infrastructure projects, leveraging each of their strengths.

There is also the first bilateral summit with Xi and Japan’s Shinzo Abe—and Koll believes there are more opportunities to collaborate and not just compete with each other.

This was a great conversation on the opportunities in Japan and emerging markets. Please listen to the full conversation below.

Versions of this article first appeared on the WisdomTree blog and SeekingAlpha on October 23, 2018.

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About the Author: Jeremy Schwartz, CFA, Director of Research, WisdomTree Asset Management is responsible for the WisdomTree equity index construction process and oversees research across the WisdomTree family. Prior to joining WisdomTree, Jeremy was Professor Jeremy Siegel’s head research assistant and helped with the research and writing of Stocks for the Long Run and The Future for Investors. He is also co-author of the Financial Analysts Journal paper “What Happened to the Original Stocks in the S&P 500?” Jeremy is a graduate of The Wharton School of the University of Pennsylvania and currently stays involved with Wharton by hosting the Wharton Business Radio program “Behind the Markets” on SiriusXM 111.